“Modi has unique ability to read people’s pulse”
(I was interviewed by senior colleague,Jose Kavi for Matters India website on Modi phenomenon and BJP's historic victory) www.mattersindia.com
NEW DELHI: NIRENDRA DEV WAS FLOWN INTO AHMEDABAD, GUJARAT, WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER A TRAIN COACH WAS TORCHED IN GODHRA KILLING 59 HINDU PILGRIMS ON FEBRUARY 27, 2002. HE WAS THEN A CORRESPONDENT OF THE PRESS TRUST OF INDIA, THE COUNTRY’S TOP NEWS AGENCY, AND STAYED IN GUJARAT FOR WEEKS TO COVER THE SUBSEQUENT HINDU-MUSLIM RIOTS THAT KILLED HUNDREDS AND CHANGED THE SOCIOPOLITICAL HISTORY OF THE WESTERN INDIAN STATE.
One of his discoveries was Narendra Modi and his leadership qualities.
Modi, who helped the Bharatiya Janata Party record its best electoral performance so far on May 16, 2014, was an unknown leader then. It was only months ago that the son of a tea stall owner was elected the chief minister of Gujarat. Dev says he could then sense Modi would one day emerge as a national leader and change the country’s fortune.
A few hours after it became amply clear that Modi would become India’s next prime minister Dev shared with Matters India about his perception of Modi and what he expects from the new Modi government.
MATTERS INDIA: You were one of the first persons to spot the leadership of Narendra Modi, way back in 2002. How do you feel now that Modi has managed a landslide unprecedented victory for BJP?
NIRENDRA DEV: It will be unfair to say I was the first to spot the ‘leadership’ qualities of Narendra Modi. Don’t forget that in December 2002, 50 million Gujaratis and, of course non-Gujaratis, elected Modi giving a landslide victory for BJP. Former Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee spotted the talent and said the Gujarat experiment was worth emulating. Then, was Vajpayee pushing a Hindutva agenda? In Mumbai, Urdu scholar S Shikooh Sahib had told me almost the same thing that Modi would be projected nationwide and would do well politically.
But yes, I also could read the man. His ability to read the pulse of his people was unique. At times, I remember arguing that if Modi was a Hindu zealot then the entire Gujarat state was. Media and Congress party called Gujarat a laboratory. But Congress banked on a former RSS man Shankersinh Vaghela in Gujarat. In past 12 years, the Congress has not changed — Vaghela is still their leader in that state.
Why did India succumb to Modi mania?
Now, that’s the real question. It’s the hunger for change. Modi and BJP played ‘dream merchants’ at a time when people’s mood was downslide and everyone even in villages was feeling demoralized. I know about 50 people, relatives and friends in UP, Bihar and Bengal who have lost jobs in the past 10 years. (between 2004 and 2014)
Modi represented different aspirations to different sets of people and perhaps that’s the yardstick of a mass appeal of a leader. The ‘developmental plank’ ostensibly for twin reasons – first exposed the ‘decade-long misgovernance’ of the Congress-led UPA and secondly, it gave a makeover to his image vis-a-vis 2002.
Is India witnessing now what Germany witnessed in early 1930s, the euphoria for Nazis and other fascist forces? What are the signs that our country is not heading that way?
Sincerely, I hate this comparison. In Singapore, one ruler once said, there should be a trade between democracy or freedom and discipline. We also need it. What’s our freedom today? In Kerala and Bengal, people hate to work. And if you are bringing Hitler-Nazis comparison, I have said earlier, it’s advisable not to play the fear card. The Indian Constitution is too strong. Judiciary is strong. The President of India can dismiss any government. Rather I feel more powers must be vested in President’s office. A popular government can be put on well-check list then.
Coming back to Modi, what prompted you to write one of the earliest biographies of him?
The book on 2002 riots, “Godhra- A Journey to Mayhem,” came out genuinely. When a journalist decides to write a book, he is excited about the subject. He likes it or he is annoyed with it, disturbed with it. The communalism really disturbs me. I hate fundamentalism of all sorts. The Indian ‘secularism’ propagated by the Congress and Left and even parties of Mulayam Singh and Mamata Banerjee is also a Fundamentalism. They divide people.
Muslims get 5 percent job quota, bigger amount of scholarship. Then, will it be wrong then if his Hindu classmate hates the Muslim boy. Our good friend, Mobarak Haider, a liberal Pakistani writer, says the Congress and the Left pampered the pathological Muslim narcissism, making Muslims more of a minority.
How did you get interested in Modi? You were born and brought up in northeastern India. What prompted you to write one of the earliest biographies of Modi?
Actually the incidents of 2002 made me interested in Gujarat and its principal protagonist. The Godhra train carnage was the start. There are various versions to that tragedy. Today in 2014, nothing has been brought out substantially about that incident. For 12 years, Congress tried to fix individual responsibility on Modi and thought that would ensure protection of ‘secularism’ in the country.
The Congress style of looking at everything through prism of vote-capture mechanism has made Modi the leader that he is today.
You have been ridiculing those opposing Modi as “sickularists.” What does that term mean? What is secularism, according to you?
A good question. To me, secularism means respecting each other’s religion. Today, on May 16, 2014 when the mandate came, one Muslim journalist called it a Black Day for India. Now, what is that? He could disagree with the mandate. But should he insult people’s mandate? That’s Hitler for you. They create fanatics like Giriraj Singh. Congress leaders called Osama-bin-Laden Osamaji, under the presumption that such respect would keep the Muslims in good humor. I have spoken about doles and double standards. It’s not secularism. Secularism does not mean Muslim appeasement! If Modi is to be hanged and boycotted, why do we glorify late Rajiv Gandhi? And today, I stand vindicated. I was right. People also strongly feel about these.
Does the rise of Hindu nationalist Narendra Modi as India’s prime minister signal that the world’s largest democracy is entering its most sinister period since independence? That is the question many ask, especially the religious minority groups. What guarantees are there that Modi and RSS would not implement their dream of turning India into a Hindu nation?
Can you give me any guarantee about any politician? Could people have presumed that hundreds would be killed on the streets of Delhi in 1984? Why do we play the fear psychosis? Media is too half-baked and armed-chair. English media is worse. I am part of it. During my trip in rural UP, when local journalists told me, there’s strong ‘Modi wave,’ you know what I asked them. “Are you from the Hindi press?” So that’s our objectivity.
On May 15, if I had told you, BJP would win more than 280 seats, how would you have reacted? You would have called me a Modi agent!
But you would agree Modi should try to dispel such fears and sense of insecurity. What should he do to keep the entire country together as he takes it in the path of development?
The insecurity is created by media and political parties. They are best answered if the future Modi government focuses only on performance. BJP leaders say the expectations are frightening and they have to deliver. It’s very simple.
How do you assess Modi, as a person, a leader and a statesman?
We should not forget he is a politician. He is in the business of running a political party in a vibrant democracy like ours, where votes count. He has surpassed Vajpayee or L K Advani only by one principal criterion – that is the votes he garnered for BJP and NDA. He is not in charity or is not running Rama Krishna Mission. Yes, as a leader, he is known to be firm and may be autocrat too. Is Jayalalithaa not an autocrat? But his testing time is as an administrator. That he has to deliver carrying along the bureaucracy. It is easier said than done.
Modi is accused of encouraging crony capitalism as his greatest supporters are top business houses. Is he not propagating development that benefits only the rich and sidelines the poor?
Possibly you are right. But is the politics of good old socialism and Leftist-controlled economy relevant today? Why should journalists get 50 percent railway passes for their spouses, not once but twice a year? Why should an elected MP get rail travel concession life long? Somewhere you need to put your foot down. It’s the capitalist-driven development that can bring development.
The Soviet Union style is known to all. On the other hand, we should ask why corruption and scams rocked Congress and worse how Robert Vadra [husband of Priyanka Gandhi] could make so much money. Was it not crony capitalism? In Nagaland, about government-contractors deal, it’s said, payments are received on earth for works done in heaven. And that’s a Christian state. If one business house has been helped by Modi, it can be probed and responsibility fixed.
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